Trump og Grønland
Amerikanske presidentar er gjerne einige om dei store linjene i utanrikspolitikken. Likevel kan blikket og prioriteringane vera noko annleis. Når det gjeld Trump kan ein sjå ei meir snever definering av kva som er dei amerikanske kjerneinteressane.
Utspelet om å kjøpe eller nytte makt for å "ta" Grønland har skapt store overskrifter i Noreg og andre land. Det her ein ganske klar demonstrasjon av meir sjåvinistisk aleinegang, ikkje minst mot såkalla "allierte". Her er det verdt å merke seg kva Henry Kissinger, tidlegare amerikansk utanriksminister, slo fast: USA har ikkje venner - berre interessar.
I Noreg har mesteparten av kommentariatet latt seg forferde av fråsegnene. Eit unntak er Ola Borten Moe, som i Klassekampen slo fast at det er Danmark si eigen skuld at Grønland no kjem i spel. Han samanliknar Grønland med Bergen og Trondheim, og skriv at det ville ha vore ein dårleg idé å gi sjølvstyre til dei to byane. Underforstått: det var ein dårleg idé å "gi" sjølvstyre til Grønland.
Det Borten Moe ikkje forstår, er at folket på Grønland primært er inuittar, med eit språk og kultur som ligg fjernt frå dansk. Det var først på 1950-talet at Grønland ikkje lenger skulle ha status som formell "koloni" under København, sjølv om det framleis var klart at Danmark skulle vera sjefen. Mykje av dei verste overgrepa, mellom anna tvangs-innsetting av spiral på grønlandske kvinner skjedde for eksempel etter at kolonistatusen vart oppheva. Det same gjeld bortføringa av grønlandske ungar.
Med eit sånt bakteppe er det kanskje ikkje så rart at stemninga på Grønland i ei årrekke har vore positiv til sjølvstyre. I val etter val er det nettopp sjølvstyrepartia som har gjort det sterkast. Meir og meir av den danske overstyringa har vorte avvikla, og no er det snart berre tryggleikspolitikken som står att.
Eg meiner det er djupt problematisk å slå fast at "Grønland er dansk", slik EU-kommisjonen har gjort. Korfor skal det vera det? Det her blir som dei som i 1945 insisterte på at India "er britisk", og at "Indonesia er nederlandsk", og liknande. Det grunnleggjande folkerettslege og demokratiske utgangspunktet må vera at det er folket sjølv som skal avgjere kva dei vil med landet sitt. Og "folket" her er altså ikkje regjeringa i København, men innbyggjarane på Grønland.
Kva med USA? Det mange har gløymt, er at Grønland de facto har fungert som US-amerikansk protektorat heilt sidan 1941. Da signerte Danmark sin ambassadør i USA ein avtale med den amerikanske utanriksministeren Cordell Hull, som gav USA rett til å etablere seg militært på øya. Danmark har aldri hatt kontroll over USA si militære verksemd på Grønland. Aldri.
Likevel har USA vore greit nøgde med Danmark sin kontroll over Grønland. Som Nato-medlem har amerikanarane vore trygge på at russarane (og andre) ikkje vil kunne etablere seg der. Det her har endra seg no dei siste åra. Kinesarane har hatt fleire framstøt kor dei har prøvd å etablere seg økonomisk på øya, men har stort sett blitt bloikkert av Danmark. Når det her skjer på same tid som at riksfellesskapet med Danmark knakar i samanføyningane, og det dessutan er oppdaga viktige sjeldne mineralar på øya, er det ikkje rart at Washington vil komma kinesarane i forkjøpet. Dei vil ikkje risikere eit sjølvstendig Grønland kor Beijing sit med pengesekken.
Ola Borten Moe er på bærtur når han meiner Danmark har gjort "feil" i å gi grønlendarane meir sjølvstyre. EU-kommisjonen tek feil når dei ropar at "Grønland er dansk". Og amerikanarane tek feil når dei ser på Grønland som eit slags bytte i ein skitten jaktkonkurranse.
Det må vera grønlendarane sjølv som bestemmer kva som skal skje med Grønland. Dèt bør vera innstillinga vår.
Greenland Is Not for Sale
Donald Trump says Greenland should be part of the US, while Denmark insists it won’t happen. But Greenlanders have dreams of their own: economic independence and freedom from foreign control.jacobin.com
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in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •No mater much change they would have to endure, it stills makes them leave their comfort zone...That's too much for most people.
( also the reason there are people still trying to use the Twitter )
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Davida Taylor • • •Davida Taylor
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •More later...
( I promise )
Francesco P Lovergine
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Francesco P Lovergine • • •@gisgeek I understand that, and respect your opinion. My position is that it would be better for me if I could stop using for example Facebook. The problem with that is that I would lose contact with many people with whom I mostly interact with through Facebook, and I am nog ready make that sacrifice.
Do you have any ideas how I can achieve this goal? If so, I would be very happy to hear them! If not, I wish you the best with using different socials for different people.
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Louis Ingenthron
in reply to Francesco P Lovergine • • •@gisgeek I agree that there doesn't need to be a single social for everyone to use, but there are maybe some platforms that nobody should use.
Seems to me that getting folks to migrate off those platforms would be a good thing, regardless of which other platform they ultimately land on.
Francesco P Lovergine
in reply to Louis Ingenthron • • •@louis
Ok, some ideas about social networks
are now here:
lovergine.com/socials-they-are…
Socials, they are not your home. — frankie-tales
lovergine.comSagaliciouzzz
in reply to Francesco P Lovergine • • •Francesco P Lovergine
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •XMPP or Matrix (possibly with your own server, but not exclusively). For microblogging, Mastodon is more than enough.
But of course the problem is convincing peers to use them.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Francesco P Lovergine • • •Francesco P Lovergine
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Francesco P Lovergine • • •betalaris @home
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •I think the biggest hurdle for fediverse adoption is the choice paralysis people have when deciding what their home base should be. This is something you can solve by just suggesting options. I am personally on chaos.social, because this is what people first reccommended to me back in 2018.
My biggest reasons to use the fediverse:
1. It cannot be bought by a rich dipshit.
2. It has no algorythm-based timelines. It especially has no enragement-based timelines.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to betalaris @home • • •@betalars Yes, the choice of server is very hard! I'm glad you've been able to keep to the same server for such a long time, I think I've been through like three since last year.
Good reasons, thank you! I did include those two in my first "come find me on the Fediverse" post.
Morgan ⚧️
in reply to betalaris @home • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Morgan ⚧️ • • •suzanne
in reply to Morgan ⚧️ • • •@raphaelmorgan
@betalars Yes, sending invites has been the only way I've been able to get anyone to sign up. You can send a link to the front page of a specific server, too, if you think someone would do well on a server you're not on.
But no one I know from real life is still active here. It's frustrating.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to suzanne • • •Joe Vinegar 🏳️🌈
in reply to betalaris @home • • •This allows me to keep separate the different aspects of my life: work, friends, family (if they joined the fediverse, still no luck), but also a couple specific-interest topics, and of course sex/love discourse is with another identity too.
Bonus: it's also easy to share content from one identity to another I practically act as a content curator between different communities of interest.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Joe Vinegar 🏳️🌈 • • •sprouting Ske-Lil-ton 🌱
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in reply to sprouting Ske-Lil-ton 🌱 • • •Sagaliciouzzz
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in reply to sprouting Ske-Lil-ton 🌱 • • •Jay Hannah
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in reply to Jay Hannah • • •🐚 Sexagenarian_X 🐚
in reply to Jay Hannah • • •I just kept telling people "learn by doing no one's gonna' yell at you" but that didn't seem to take.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to 🐚 Sexagenarian_X 🐚 • • •Karin Dalziel
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •I can't say I have been very successful, I need to do more, but I do believe having a local instance is a great way to get people excited about it. So, I started one for my town. Two years later, it's still pretty small, but it feels like Twitter did in the early days of discovering local hashtags.
I have so many ideas on how to promote and grow the network, but have been so burned out the whole time it's hard to make progress 🙁
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Karin Dalziel • • •@nirak I don't think anyone *needs* to promote the Fediverse, so please don't take this as me saying that what you've done is inadequate.
Wow, hosting your own server is cool! I don't think that I could do that so it will be hard for me to use that when trying to convince friends and family. But I am very glad that others do it!
Karin Dalziel
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •there are hosts that do all the techy stuff for you so it's not a lot harder (technically) than subscribing to any other service
But then there's moderation and all that, which I need to get more regular about
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Karin Dalziel • • •Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •Simon Jaeger
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Don't worry about telling them how the fediverse works until they've signed up and started to discover people. Keep it basic, compare the username@domain format to email providers.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Simon Jaeger • • •Jon
in reply to Simon Jaeger • • •Excellent suggestions! My experience is that it's also useful to set expectations: it is a bit more complicated than Facebook, and saying "oh it's easy" backfires because it makes people feel stupid. And, if there's an app you like, it's good to suggest it -- people default to the official app but it's not great. Also, FediTips has a lot of resources including this "tips for getting started" page fedi.tips/
As for convincing people to try it ...
* if they're frustrated with Facebook then I've had decent (although not great) results with "here's something else, it's not completely a replacement yet but I'm spending time there and enjoying it, you might like it too, I'm happy to help get you started."
* For my trans, queer, and non-binary friends and acquaintances I highlight that there are a LOT of trans, queer, and non-binary people here -- as well as a general pro-LGBTQ attitude, and a lot of history.
* if it's somebody who uses a screenreader i talk about the alt-text culture here (and share privacy.thenexus.today/mastodo… with them)
@simon@procrastodon.net @Sagaliciouzzz@fribygda.no @StingrayBadger@zirk.us
Accessibility resources for Mastodon and compatible software (DRAFT)
Jon (The Nexus Of Privacy)Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Jon • • •Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •@jnye I'm sorry you had such a rough time with it! If you don't mind me asking, what "rules" were enforced that made your friends leave?
Yeah, sometimes it's good riddance when you move to a new platform! I do miss having the sounding board from the Long Hair group on Facebook, though.
Jen 🏳️⚧️🪕📓📖🤓
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •I know one person IRL before fediverse, and one other I met here, I've talked with IRL.
I'm actively trying to get others to move over.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Jen 🏳️⚧️🪕📓📖🤓 • • •Jen 🏳️⚧️🪕📓📖🤓
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Solarbird
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •These are people you know in person?
Show them things here that they'd like, admit up front "yeah, it's a little more complicated to get started," and add, "but once you get going it's worth it."
They need something that actively catches their interest. And for most, it's about the content - what's already here. Find _that_.
If they nibble, _handhold them through every step_. Seriously. Baby them. Help them fill out their follows. Make it _incredibly easy_, since by default, it's _not_. Particularly show the hashtag following and maybe the hashtag relay.
(see: mastodon.murkworks.net/@moira/… )
(1/2)
Solarbird :flag_cascadia: (@moira@mastodon.murkworks.net)
MastodonSagaliciouzzz
in reply to Solarbird • • •Solarbird
in reply to Solarbird • • •Also...
This may be US specific, but here, we have a big exodus from Meta right now over Zuckerberg flipping the algo to "overt evil."
Those fleeing Meta are almost entirely going to BlueSky, except for some on Instagram, who are going to Pixelfed. That's important and good!
But I got a couple of people to come here (or really, more come back here) by telling them that they can follow people on BlueSky _from here_ if both sides give BridgyFed permission to connect them.
(see solarbird.net/blog/2025/01/09/… )
By doing this, I let them know they can be here and not lose contact with friends on BlueSky, which means coming here is _safe for them to do_.
Keeps the option open.
Might not matter for you, tho'.
Good luck! (2/2 fin)
let’s all go to the EXIT – Solarbird{y|z|yz}, Collected
solarbird.netSagaliciouzzz
in reply to Solarbird • • •Marty | 123NZ & TravelGeek
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •it's a challenge for sure. It's amazing the reasons not to switch peeps come up with.
A few have made the switch but stopped using it after X amount of time or never really activated their account.
I only post tips and some of my toots on FB to let everyone know that I've made the switch.
And focus on peeps that are complaining about Meta or their crappy timeline.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Marty | 123NZ & TravelGeek • • •morph
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Same here. For years I felt always a sad about this. Most of my friends don't have interest in social media at all I think because of the impression facebook had on them those days. So they never were open for it again. Meanwhile I think WhatsApp is what most people see as their social platform (...?)
Sorry ... so I can't help in the case. Only advice I can give is not to put too much energy into trying to convince people. You'll likely run into ignorance and disappointment.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to morph • • •morph
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to morph • • •morph
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Yeah, sure they are. They are compatible with more protocols than just ActivityPub, the now standard. They used to be even compatible with facebook, twitter, Diaspora (still are) in the old days. But both projects are still under active maintainance. Their founder Mike McGirvin though is working on newer projects, streams (a repo) and forte which is not yet released as stable yet.
hubzilla.org/
friendi.ca/
friendica – A Decentralized Social Network
friendi.caSagaliciouzzz
in reply to morph • • •morph
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •BradleyKSherman
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in reply to BradleyKSherman • • •Cecelia
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •I remind people that I’m on the Fediverse and share links to posts here.
If anyone expresses interest, I might suggest some servers that might interest them. Sharing the #FediTips site is also helpful, I think, in giving people the context they need to do research on their own.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Cecelia • • •Emily Love 🏳️⚧️
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in reply to Terri Garland • • •Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •@jnye I can understand that people might feel "fuck this shit" if they are being told these things in a way that is neither constructive nor nice. I do agree that alttext, CWs etc are important, though!
Usually, there is a nicer way to say something that will be taken the wrong way.
Author on a Mission
Unknown parent • • •Author on a Mission
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Author on a Mission • • •@jnye Yes, I agree that dogpiling isn't good. Still, one of the reasons I appreciate the Fediverse is because of its focus on accessability, and I am not ready to compromise on that in order to lure more people in.
To be clear, I'm not trying to persuade you in any way, I am just stating my opinion.
tutormentor1
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
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Unknown parent • • •Howard Chu @ Symas
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in reply to Howard Chu @ Symas • • •DKH
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in reply to DKH • • •Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •The challenge is, ironically, the same one with Twitter (back in the day). Facebook was *designed* to connect with friends and family. It was its whole *thing*.
Both Mastodon and what Twitter used to be were more about making connections *outside* your social and familial circles.
I've been investigating both Friendica and Hubzilla which are federated answers to the Facebook model. Friendica tends to have a real "2010 Facebook" vibe to it. Hubzilla is more nerd-friendly.
Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦
in reply to Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦 • • •They both have some rough edges. Friendica is very polished on the surface but has some issues (there's an account creation bug I had to deal with that involved changing my default password that was sent to me over email). Hubzilla is less "user friendly" in a sense, but it's promising.
That being said, to answer your original question, I'll be honest, I haven't had to do much convincing. People have been coming to me (2 close friends so far) to look to move away from Facebook.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦 • • •@zalasur Yeah, I heard of them earlier in this thread and will probably take a look at them soon-ish.
I'm glad your friends want to follow you here! 😀
Middle Aged Man :verified_paw:
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Well, if you know them personally, send them an invite. If they have questions, hold their hand and encourage. In my case, brief with the basic frustrations not present in single server platforms and they will feel less frustration when they cant easily find anything to follow.
It will send them an email with a link to join your server.
web interface (not any app)
Gear
Menu
Invite people
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Middle Aged Man :verified_paw: • • •Slavery is violence
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Slavery is violence • • •@Prainbow Wow, moss and moonlight AND political posts? You have my interest!
Yeah, personally inviting people and focusing on the ones who are already considering the move seems to be what most people are recommending.
Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •renegadespork
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to renegadespork • • •Dave Mason
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •I have experience *trying* to recruit people away from Facebook (and Twitter and LinkedIn) to other platforms. Unfortunately, I've had close to zero success.
One of the suggestions in this thread that I think makes a lot of sense is the direct invite via sending/emailing someone a link--a suggestion that I never tried in the past.
I'll keep an eye on on this thread for other suggestions.
Good luck!
Dave Mason
in reply to Dave Mason • • •One thing I will add about Facebook--the overwhelming excuse I hear is "I can't leave! I have no other way to keep in touch with friends and family!"
And my response is always "What have you tried?"
The silence is deafening.
So...why not deactivate your account for a day. Or a week. Or a month. See what you can do on your end to maintain those relationships (email, text messages, etc.). If you are successful, consider deleting your account. 🙂
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Dave Mason • • •@DaveMasonDotMe Yeah, inviting and/or recommending servers seems to be the most popular advice. I'll give it a shot!
Re: "I'll lose contact". If everyone switches they won't lose contact...
Klaus Stein
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •If your posts are public you can announce your timeline like a blog. One does not need to register to read what's going on in your live but just click the url¹. But it may be more convenient if one creates an account on their own and use an app (especially if they want to interact with you).
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¹or add it to your rss feed, but I assume most people don't have one anymore
Sagaliciouzzz
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@undead You don't have to apologise for anything!
Yeah, that seems like a smart way to do it :3
Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •Jennifer
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to Jennifer • • •Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •@Jennifer @jnye As I've stated before, I believe that harassing others is not reasonable. To help remind others to use alt text, however, is reasonable.
Similarly, harassing people for their political view is not reasonable.
Jennifer
Unknown parent • • •AlexTECPlayz
in reply to Sagaliciouzzz • • •Hah, I couldn't onboard any of my friends or family yet. Two of my friends always jokingly ask me what I'm doing, "browsing reddit yet again?" when I'm on my phone for 5 minutes in public, but I tell them "No, I'm on Mastodon" (and in all likelihood writing some lengthy-ass comment or post). They're accustomed to, and have mainly used Facebook, Instagram and then TikTok.
As for my parents, haha, no, I wouldn't like my bigoted parents to join the Fediverse, they would definitely not like it here. And it's not even that, they just don't speak or understand English at all, and apps like Moshidon don't filter out languages you don't speak, unlike the Mastodon web client, and I don't want them to rely on LibreTranslate every time they read something.
Sagaliciouzzz
in reply to AlexTECPlayz • • •@alextecplayz I'm sorry you've had such bad luck with your friends! I hope they come around soon.
I can understand why you wouldn't want your parents here, and I hope that they become less bigoted.
AlexTECPlayz
in reply to AlexTECPlayz • • •Sagaliciouzzz
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Unknown parent • • •crowdotblack
Unknown parent • • •I've had mild success with getting people to leave FB, mostly by incessantly reminding them that if they are in the crosshairs of Project 2025, they are endangering themselves by being there. Nearly everyone but rich white males are in those crosshairs anyway so that's not too hard to get across.
I'm not sure I could get anyone to join Mastodon though unless there was a much bigger local instane than I'm on. (2/2)
Sagaliciouzzz
Unknown parent • • •